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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
It's the principle of travel between parallel universes where I'm from. Only one person's capable of it, so a train like this is something beyond logical comprehension by the logic of my world. But since it's so easily achieved here, time travel is no less insane.

[He started tapping his left foot in an overabundance of nervous energy, frowning.]

At that point, it sounds like we're bordering on considering how to hack the train and altering its parameters. And if there isn't any other way to break out of whatever infinite loop it's stuck in, we may have to.
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[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
Oh! [Oh boy.] I can certainly see why then... I'm beginning to feel like I have an unfair advantage with the subway experience at this point...

[It just seemed so normal, that the idea of something stretching even farther across time and space felt like a natural step upward...

In any case.
] Mnh. I definitely don't recommend that, personally. Not without someone who has direct experience with the technology- for all that I asked if it would be acceptable to do internal work if it became necessary, the train's immediate reply was that it would 'not be appropriate'. Chances are that if we try anything without enough information, we'll find ourselves facing unexpected consequences on both ends. [By which she means, the train may not even intend to harm anything when harm inevitably comes to them as a result.]
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
[Waver answered with a vaguely thoughtful hum, thinking that over.]

No, it'd be pretty stupid to go poking about in something we don't understand. And that's even if we knew where to start. But we can't keep going on like this from mission to mission forever, least of all with so much at stake. I don't want to rely on the suggested concept of time travel being dangled in front of us when the current situation seems closer to 'we're stuck here until the train says so, which is never'.
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[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 08:15 am (UTC)(link)
Naturally not, that would be absurd. [She might seem to be taking this casually, but she's far from of the mind that they should roll over and let it all be.] Working on communications is at least something we can start with, but finding out some way to get more information on 'Void Technology'- preferably someone with that knowledge- is definitely something we need to keep on our minds...

I can bet that that one will be the most troublesome for now though. We're limited by whatever planets and worlds the train stops at- and I suspect it's avoiding anything with awareness of the technology given this...'renegade' status, [she hums, frowning.] ...I can't say I can fault it for that, but it's still an obstacle in our path...

...with any luck breaking the communications barrier can solve two problems at once in that regard.
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
You're right--we're a train full of amateurs, essentially. We need someone who has the faintest clue how this is supposed to work, but locating them even if we do find a world where they exist will be tricky.

...If we can just get messages out--just that alone would set me and a lot of people at ease, I bet.
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[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
I think it would put most of the train at ease, truthfully... ...I don't know if we're blind grabs, or if it's deliberation bringing us here, but at the least if we could get some sort of word out, it would be one less question on everyone's minds.

[The kettle is starting to steam.] Ah, that's quick-

Do you want a cup of anything? I filled the kettle to the top. [She'd offer coffee, but she suspects that's not the best option for any nerves right now. Much as it's her go-to.]
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 08:29 am (UTC)(link)
I don't care if it's random or not, it's pretty clear we didn't agree to it and that just pisses me right off. [If nothing else he was a hell of a lot calmer, at least outwardly.] ...Tea would be nice, if you don't mind.

Sorry--in all that, I didn't introduce myself. Just call me 'Professor' for now.
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[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
To be quite fair I didn't either, [she remarks, setting up two mugs.] Any preference on the tea..? I'm not sure what teas we have but it's hopefully more than one...

...Professor? [Oh- She can't help but laugh a bit at that.] ...It's like being back on campus, hah... ...Yuume Souryuu is my own name. The train has me registered incorrectly, but I don't expect it to understand apprentice systems in the end. Is it alright to ask what you teach then, 'Professor'?
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
Surprise me, I'm more of a coffee person. Don't have much of a preference.

[He shrugged, fingers tapping on the silver handle of his cane.]

I'm a teacher of alchemy and modern magecraft theory back home in London. Nice to meet you, Yuume.
shadowslipping: (Smile)

me googling the difference between history and archaeology like 'oh ok'

[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 08:43 am (UTC)(link)
'Modern magecraft'... [She locates the tea after a bit, ultimately picking something that should hopefully be calming.] It certainly sounds intriguing...

At home, magic is considered anything not quite pinned down in regard to the laws of energy exchange...a sort of science in itself, but one that's yet to be defined. It's normally inaccessible to anything other than the Shadows however, so I suspect it's going to remain undefined for a long, long time.

It's good to meet you as well, [she ultimately adds with a nod, filling the mug.] I study history, myself- arguably archaeology with how far back it stretches, but I find when interviewing beings that have lived since those times, 'history' is the preferred word.

[She's had at least one 'Magician' get touchy about being considered so old they're part of archaeological study. (It's hardly her fault there's nothing written from those eras...)]
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 08:46 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, magecraft's pretty well rooted in science. Even the base capability to utilize it is largely genetic and related to the nervous system, and the rest is more exact science than the vague mysticism of your average fantasy.

[But he raised an eyebrow at the last remark, interested rather than skeptical.]

...I'm sorry, interviewing what?
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i'm sorry for this waver u-u

[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 08:55 am (UTC)(link)
The nervous system? Fascinating... [...she wants to ask more about that but she should probably also focus on the present moment before she gets lost in matters...]

...Ah- yes, shadows are rather unique to my world- or at least, mine and those similar. I have one relative on board, and there are others from what are at the least mostly similar timelines and realms, to the point where I was able to handle a consult on one such person's state of their soul, [she rambles on, not quite realizing how alarming that in itself might sound.] The 'shadow' is in essence an extension of the human soul- it wasn't there at the start of human history, and not all 'shadows' are even connected to humans, but many are. The theory goes that the two are protecting each other somehow in a pseudo-symbotic relationship...

Ah, I'm digressing though- Shadows. Think of them as...spirits, in a sense. Mythical beasts, deities, even the forms of heroes or typical animals, they can take all of those forms, and exist within their own realm, parallel to my own. When I refer to shadows in general, it's those inhabitants that I speak of- though the name itself comes due to those bound to human souls. They manifest the connection through the shadow at one's feet.

It wasn't a possibility until quite recently, but we've come upon an age where the two realms are close enough that more and more people are realizing those connections- from there, came work that made entering their own realm possible.

...which created quite a shift in studies relating to history suffice to say, as quite a few of those beings have been around since...well, the start of the world itself in some cases. ...Though interviewing anything that old doesn't tend to go well, given still existing language barriers...
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no i'm sorry for imminent nasubabble

[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
Holy shit.

[That successfully distracted him from a problem they had no immediate way to fix, Waver staring at her for a moment while he began to switch gears from miserable to stunned fascination.]

Your world has...essentially Master-Servant contracts? Just--that's just a normal thing?
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ITS OK I GET PLENTY OF BABBLE JUST PLAYING FGO RIP

[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
[[OOC - Me whenever references to other series hit like `oh god what have i missed this time`]]

Eh? [Well, here's your tea at least??]

I...suppose? You'll have to explain what 'Master-Servant' contracts are for me to confirm however...

I don't think I'd describe it quite with those words either, since the two are quite desperately linked... ...though assuming the spirit in this case would equate to the 'servant', that does represent the somewhat replaceable end...it's one of the aspects of my work actually, as losing one's shadow locks them into a rather permanent 'out of time' state until a shadow capable of filling the void can be found. On the other hand, you simply can't connect a severed shadow to a different person...
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
The terminology isn't as black and white as it sounds, it's complicated. But the bit about shadows is new, so it's clearly not a perfect reflection of the concept. In my own world, under highly specific conditions, a mage can summon a hero of the past to fight as their contracted familiar of sorts. They share an empathic link, with the Master serving as the magical power source for the Servant to exist in the living world. If a Master dies, so too will their Servant, but the reverse doesn't automatically apply.

Heroic Spirits have existed since the beginning of human history; for as long as there have been legends and heroes. But it's not as if every single mage can summon one; only seven Servants can exist in the world at a single time. [laughs in apocrypha, extra, and fgo] So it isn't a matter of realms connecting, or of such figures being automatically connected to people.
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[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 09:18 am (UTC)(link)
Mnnnh...a 'hero'... ...It certainly sounds a bit like the shadow bond in reverse...every human-being is born connected to a shadow. Whether that shadow is able to be 'woken up' so to speak, and enter the human plane, typically depends on a variety of conditions. First of course, the realms need to be close, much as they are now. Second, without a synthetic trigger, it typically takes a near-death circumstance.

Generally, if the human side is killed, the shadow isn't- they're simply left unconnected to the human plane. That said, it's possible to sever and trap them within that end of existence- those are called 'renegades', and are unfortunately left to sort matters in whatever way they can. I've actually visited restaurants with a 'renegade' on the waitstaff... [How far the mighty can fall...ahh....]

In any case, shadows are what inspired tales of certain beasts and heroes, rather than heroes and beasts becoming shadows- the last time the two realms were so close together would have been perhaps around 3000 BCE- on average, the pattern seems to move in 5000 year intervals, though this is admittedly the first time it's remained so constant. I suspect it's because of the state of the human plane itself; it wasn't split into four dimensions until the current century.

[There's a lot to unpack there, and it might be best to throw out the entire suitcase.] Only seven servants though... [IF THEY ONLY KNEW...] ...hahaaaa...and here there are probably almost as many shadows active as a full quarter of the population...
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 09:20 am (UTC)(link)
I've seen heroes do weirder shit than waiting tables, at least.

[He laughed quietly at that, the sound hollow and a little halfhearted.]

That many, huh...? That's...pretty impressive.
shadowslipping: (Saddened)

[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
Mnh. It's very much part of daily life- I once took a subway...ah, a normal, non-dimensional one I should note- to another city on a shadow resembling a train. I believe their partner acts as the conductor so to speak.

[Mnnnh. Something about that laugh though...] Considering the focus on 'heroes', and the small number however, I suspect the system from your own home is a little more tightly focused on some sort of goal however...

[Oof.]
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 09:28 am (UTC)(link)
It's a whole long and depressing story, and kind of a big contributing factor why my world's in so much trouble. There's a broken magical ritual that someone has to stop, and the only people who care enough to try need my help to do it.

[Shrugging in an attempt to brush off the gravity of the situation, Waver simply took a drink.]

...There weren't a lot of Masters that survived the last conflict. I was one of them, so a situation like you're describing holds a lot of interest for me.
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[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 09:31 am (UTC)(link)
[Ahhhhhh....that makes sense, she tells herself, getting her instant coffee mixed up as she nods. A situation of small numbers against many others, with a key piece missing...it's no wonder then, that the other is so tense.]

I'm sorry that the status of my own world won't likely contribute much then. I'd be happy to talk more about it of course, but it seems with any points of clarity it'll only diverge farther...
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-13 09:35 am (UTC)(link)
It's only a matter of my own curiosity, that's all. You mentioned beasts and heroes specifically, but who? Don't tell me there's a world where Cu Chulainn is waiting tables or something.

[waver has clearly not read hollow ataraxia]
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i almost used the round table cards but decided that'd be TOO MUCH sob

[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-13 09:45 am (UTC)(link)
I can't speak for Cu Chulainn, [she laughs warmly,] but my apprentice- a former client I'm sad to say- was once connected to the Sun God Ra.

[The laugh fades however, the smile becoming rather bittersweet.] ...Shirou was unfortunately...a victim of what's called 'soul death', however. Ra was killed defending him, from which point the boy was time-locked. The replacement found within the realms was Sekhmet, however; if the myths are similar in your world, perhaps you know of the one where she was Ra's eye? I suspect that's what allowed the compatibility.

In terms of others...ah! I was able to meet with Beatrice Portinari once~ [she gushes, beaming quite happily.] She was wonderful to talk to! Her official title as a shadow was 'Beatrice, the Lady Eternal', which was fairly interesting...

...Actually Beatrice herself was rather interesting in that she had a human life at one point, which is what made me think of her in regard to your question- most shadows obviously can't say they've had such things, but I expect that most with such direct connections to human lives did. I would have to look farther into that from home however, since as I said, most shadows don't fall into such categories. Instead they're what you would associate with mythical peoples, or gods, or animals...having a concrete name is rather rare.
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[laughs in saberfaces]

[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-14 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Hm...so it's more 'concepts' in a sense. Besides that, it'd be unheard of to summon a divine spirit as a Servant. Demigods, sure--anything higher than that is far beyond the scale of the ritual.

[laughs harder in grand servants]

Gilgamesh, for example. Probably the strongest Servant one could summon, both by virtue of being part divine and because his is the oldest legend in human history. The older and more well-known a hero is, the stronger their potential--so he's close to the upper limit if not the limit itself.

[Beat.]

Kind of a prick, too.
shadowslipping: (Sigh)

stares distantly at the sabercrowd....

[personal profile] shadowslipping 2020-12-16 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Mmmm, in a loose sense I would say...ultimately there are a good number of 'shadows' that did indeed act as 'Gods' to certain people after all- and their power is certainly close to it...they're rather particular about anyone daring to contract them for so much as card summoning, to the point that some have created a competition out of beating the other to a successful summon...

[It's a rather beautiful sort of event to watch though. Ah-] G- Gilgamesh..!? From the Epic of Gilgamesh..!? [She exclaims, a wide, beaming smile on her face for a moment.

Well, of course...
] .......Somehow that doesn't surprise me to hear...

[He doesn't exactly come across as 'nice' in the tale after all...] Mnnh, it's interesting that that be the standard for strength though, but it does make sense...for a hero to be known that long, it would have to be quite a persisting memory after all. The concept might not necessarily align with how it works in my own realm but ultimately, the power of 'memory' is quite impressive when it comes to the side effects in magic...
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[personal profile] fionnuisce 2020-12-16 01:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, you're familiar. Yeah--don't get too starstruck, he was pretty full of himself.

[An understatement. But Waver looked thoughtful for a moment, then continued.]

It's a 'collective unconscious' sort of thing when it comes to Servants; recorded human history influences a fair bit about them even if the core legend remains generally true to life. So I guess you could say it's a matter of memory, sure.

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