voidtreckernet | poi 28

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inigo [ou]

poi 28 - Audio Only

[For those listening keenly a note of obvious exhaustion may be heard behind Elidibus's words. Nevertheless he keeps a calm, clear tone throughout his communication.]

In the wake of the Voidtrecker Express's announcement, I would like to speak in support of its request and efforts.

Despite our personal feelings about our plight, it has sought to try and send those of us who wished to return home back to our worlds. Given the uncertain nature of our tethers and the amount of aether such an endeavor must have cost it, it heeded our will.

It should not be the target of blame for not succeeding, nor that others may have been accidentally caught in its efforts despite their desire to remain.

The Voidtrecker Express did not choose to send a select few to see if it were possible but instead attempted to aid all of us fairly. And we accepted that offer despite the possible consequences. There could have been much more dire outcome for such a monumental effort, including our tethers being strained to the point of breaking, leaving us at the mercy of voidspace or the destruction of the train itself and with it, the loss of those who chose to stay.

Pray speak if you feel differently about whether the Voidtrecker Express is to blame. But I also ask you try not to dwell overlong on fault. Rest and recover and take what you can from this experience. This is not the end of our journey.

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Some of us were willin' to volunteer a little at a time for testin'. [He'd pretty much offered something to the effect to the ministry.]

We need to keep drillin' it into her head she can't keep doin' this on her own. If not trustin' us with contribution, this shoulda been done with more aid from some professionals. I actually thought maybe she reached out at the time.

We need to save up ever'thin' that went wrong and give it to #3 if we ever get the chance to contact 'em.

I'm sure many would have volunteered, given the option.

Allow me to explain a little of my earlier request. Many are complicit in treating the Voidtrecker Express as a sentient being with the same common sense of values we're accustomed to. Including taking the onus of duty solely upon itself with the mistaken belief we can't aid it.

I do not know enough of its creation to judge whether this is true. But what is equally likely is that it is a construct. A machine with a very intricate but ultimately artificial intelligence. Thus, if told by an overwhelming majority of those under its charge that they wish to return home and given no instructions to the contrary not to permit it, the Voidtrecker Express will seek to follow these orders to the best of its ability.

The amount and inherent problems with the current system seems to have overwhelmed the available resources. This would not be the fault of the construct, but an oversight by those who wished to make use of it not to better understand its limits. Likewise, it was an oversight on our part to not request having the Void Ministry professionals on standby.

It is good to make sure we learn from this and convey our wishes with more clarity to the Voidtrecker Express. But we must also accept personal responsibility and move forward accordingly. If fortune favors, there will be logs of the incident it is able to send to the Void Ministry, if that is the wish of its crew.

Edited 2022-02-25 22:54 (UTC)

[ Inigo manages to somehow sound exhausted and - a rare emotion, coming from him, since it sounds serious rather than dramatic - annoyed at the same time. ]

This is so not the time for this.

We was talkin' about Ministry involvement in the tetherin' research right out in the open not too long ago. That it would require tests ain't no secret to her. She knew. She just got desperate.

I'm sayin' if we wanna push for somethin', push for world #3 or someone from there to get involved with her. They'd probably know the best.

[Elidibus's answer sounds sincere and perhaps is surprisingly simple.]

My apologies.

I believe I can offer some further thoughts on this matter. Yet I don't wish to cause more distress. Would you be interested in speaking about this more in private? Others who are listening in and wish to join are welcome, of course.

Though I wouldn't argue that this is something for a discussion in coming days. Perhaps after the next arrivals, provided this incident hasn't caused a delay in the usual schedule the Voidtrecker Express seems to follow.

Where do you obtain your information about the Express' intentions from?

Yeah I can talk to ya in private. Just sayin' there was better ways for her to do this, an' people are allowed to be mad about it. So long as they're mad and still functional.

I'll respect that she knew she fucked up, at least.

Before I respond, may I ask you clarify what you mean about its intentions?

I've been trying to get folks to understand the limitations of the train's processing system for months. Good luck.

I'm asking you. You speak as if you understand what this train intended to do, assuming you didn't merely choose to repeat its original message prior.

Then the answer is that I merely spoke the observable facts. We were provided with the offer to return home or stay. There was no limit imparted on either decision and the Voidtrecker Express made a clear effort to provide the function it offered. And from its in ability to complete the procedure, it's clear it reached the limits. This can be connected to the number of individuals it sought to send home, our imperfect tethers or a combination of these factors and more.

The information on the condition of our tethers and details about tethers in general were public knowledge and in documentation provided by the Void Ministry several weeks before the train made its offer. That we could have suffered far worse for this effort should also be a reasonable conclusion. I meant no more than this.

Edited 2022-02-26 03:12 (UTC)

There are very few observable facts at this time. We do not yet know why we were offered the return home, whether it was experimental or not--we only know that we were offered to return home, and can infer from the information previously given to us about the tethers that the process may have been dangerous.

We do not know why it went wrong, what went wrong, or whether the express did in fact make a clear or calculated effort. We do know that fixing the error took a toll on it and that it intended to return people to their worlds.

Until it can and is willing to speak on its own behalf, it's dangerous to confuse theory with fact. Further, and more personal, informing people who have suffered that they could have suffered worse is a poor choice.

It's natural for many to ascribe their standards of a living being to any sentience that copies it.

[ Elidibus doesn't sound like he's doing anything other than stating a fact. ]

Do you have a more definite idea of the nature behind the Voidtrecker Express? I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter.

[ There is a faint note of impatience. ]

The Voidtrecker Express stated in its original offer that it was acting in response to many passengers' expressed wishes to return home. It made a clear effort to fulfill its stated intention. I said nothing of what "calculations" may have led to making the offer in the first place.

The only time talk that could be connected to experiments happened is when Yondu mentioned some were willing to volunteer for study about their tethers and I offered acknowledgement that many would have done so. I've not openly speculated otherwise on anything the train may have intended to that effect. It's only your response that suggests otherwise.

You're correct I have speculated it may have been the tethers or a product of how many were sent back that caused the problems we experienced. But I never stated either as fact; only that in its efforts to complete the process, including any potential efforts to fix it after we'd been return, the Voidtrecker Express reached its limits. As it has said in its announcement that it needs rest.

I don't mind you asking for clarity on the meaning behind my words. But I would appreciate you not add things which were not spoken of at all, as though I or anyone had said them.

[ The note of impatience disappears, replaced by a sincere sounding tone. ]

On the subject of making a poor choice to speak of what might have been worse, if it has offended or harmed, I apologize. It was my wish to convey our fates could have been far worse, had fortune and the combined efforts of the train and those who acted to save the stranded through the anchoring system.

Pray let me know when you wish to meet.

I only spoke in support of the Voidtrecker Express in this instance. If people choose to remain angered, it's ultimately their decision.

There are certainly many reasons to be.

I accepted nothing. I was thrown off the train, and Tidus can tell you, because he saw it happen.

The Voidtrecker Express again acted rashly, and I will hold it accountable, because the only thing that seems to stick is reminding it that doing things without consulting keeps screwing up. It doesn't think like we do, it thinks in an entirely different way, so what, not telling it what's up and also why we're bothered? Angry? Scared? That's going to work better? No, we keep trying to talk.

Of course it's responsible for its own decisions. Like every one of us is responsible for what we decide to do.

If you spoke against the train's effort to attempt a return a week ago then you are amongst the minority. I know personally that at least one other shared your plight of remaining on the train but still being returned to their star... or at least the platform. Why this happened may only be known to the train.

I never intended to argue that we should not share our concerns with the Voidtrecker Express. Yet how we share them clearly impacts how it reacts.

Blaming a machine, however sophisticated, for performing its tasks based on its directives will lead us nowhere.

If we are dealing with a being who does not reason in the same way we do, then we must not just blame the being for misunderstanding but also look to ourselves and see how we can improve our own communication so that we might be understood.

I hope to find this seems a reasonable proposal for going forward.

We hold it accountable, and we explain ourselves, so it can learn. If to you being held responsible for your actions means being blamed for them, that's wordplay I'm not engaging with.

I see. Thank you for the clarification.

I believe we are of the same mind on the matter. My desire is to convey better understanding. How we communicate our troubles is as important as what they are.

Pray forgive me if my stress on not casting blame caused confusion on the matter.

Okay, I gotta ask though. Why did you feel the need to? She already spoke on her own. If you're sweet on her you need to know a guy named Jack already tried.

Anyway, I ain't got a lotta places to be. You see me around just sit down and I'll probably be open for talkin', or you name the place.

( Hm. Interesting response. He takes some time to consider his words and what he will address. )

You said you speak from observable fact. I challenged that there were very few observable facts available, listing several unknowns. It was not an accusation of you speaking that which I listed.

You needn't apologize to me. It's merely, this invalidates people's experiences. A thought to keep in mind for next time. ( Or don't, whatever, he just had to say something. He saw first hand how this affected others. )

As for the train itself, whether we choose to pursue understanding the deeper purpose of their offering should there have been any and the technical aspects of what went wrong, accountability is required.

[There is a pause where Elidibus likewise seems to take time to muse what is said and how to respond.]

Then to clarify you added subjects not discussed as examples of possible intentions?

[After another brief pause as though considering.]

I counter the observable facts I spoke when advocating against blame are still facts that are present. Because they are few compared to a possible many doesn't invalidate that I spoke known facts and separated them from theory.

I spoke an apology not only to you but others who may be listening. Also I'm no less impacted by the experience than others. However I will keep your sentiment in mind for future discussions.

As I said to Lan Jingyi, how we communicate our troubles is as important as what they are. Blame is oft used to cloud reality and avoid accountability.

[Elidibus keeps his voice calm. But even he, behind the cover of not having the camera on, gets a taken aback look that brings a moment's distinct pause.]

...The Voidtrecker Express spoke for itself as you say. I'm not sure why my decision to offer support would lead someone to question whether it's based on romantic attraction.

After consideration, during and after the events of the last few days and in the wake of the train's announcement, I felt it best to speak. And for clarity's sake, I'm asking no one to not address the problems which led to events unfolding as they did. Only to not fall prey to assigning blame and thus becoming lost in the accusations before the problems can be resolved in our future.

I will seek you out on the 'morrow. Until then.

Just a wild stab in the dark.

[Hell, who is he to say what other people are into? Yondu at least prefers his AI bipedal, though.]

I dunno if you was out there or if anyone told ya, but there was also evidence that the void started leakin' into our worlds. Which is a little bigger'n us bein' in trouble. But I'll save the rest of that conversation for private.

[Meaning that it was more than the lot of them that were in trouble out there. That mistake might have been a real big one.]

[Having overheard the somewhat heated discussions since the initial broadcast-]

....I guess even trying to head things off doesn't really work when people are upset huh...

It's far more likely to redirect any ire to the who speaks. And it's not unreasonable.

[It may suggest it was part of what he intended. Whether or not that's true is left unspoken since it would add needless (and probably very righteous) conflict to an already dangerous topic..]

How are you faring, child?

It's definitely made a new target...

[Less they dwell on that the better though? Though exhausted, he jumps up a little at the question. He was ultimately doing anything he could to help around during anchoring- on any end possible- so the exhaustion is evident.]

A little better now that it's over I guess- I think I might have overdone it a little though, [he admits with a small laugh.]

[ Can't imagine who that target is. ]

Ah, you helped with the rescue efforts I take it? I remember you mentioned once you wished to stay with the train. Did you do so or return to your world after all?

[ It's not like people couldn't have returned early and helped with the anchor and rescues of others. So there is still a chance that Emporio had changed his plans. Particularly when he had someone from his world arrive. It's hard not to have noticed.]

[A small thumbs up.] I was one of the people who helped with anchoring when all of us were in Diagad, so I had experience...

But yeah, I stayed. Right now...I don't even know if there's a planet to go to, so I didn't think it was safe to try. And besides that, Jolyne is here now, so I didn't want to leave her alone..!

[Not when she wouldn't be in any version of home after all.]

[Elidibus might not have his camera on but if that's a video addition to Emporio's side of the conversation it might be appreciated. Well, the child seems in good spirits given all that's gone on.]

My sympathies if you've lost your star. [The words are very sincere.] But also my gratitude for those you helped rescue from theirs. I am led to understand many experienced strange phenomenon that could be attributed to the void before they were pulled back to the Voidtrecker Express.

[ He had definitely left the train if anyone had troubled to watch. But he'd missed the traits as it applied to his world. Did it at all given his somewhat unplanned return? Perhaps it's for the best the train was able to retrieve him from his rightful rest. If the connection had remained despite his demise... ]

It's confirmed everyone who left that platform was recovered?

I think it's the planet more than the star if it's the case... ...um- but, thank you, [he adds soon after that, recognizing the consolation.]

It sounds that way though...and I feel like if we hadn't done anything it would've made it worse- we couldn't leave the station for a reason, so if the tether had finally given away...

[There is a sigh of relief, that it didn't happen.] I'm just glad we were able to get everyone back...ah-

...though that's a good point...I don't know if there's a way to really confirm that beyond the train being able to leave...

Edited 2022-02-27 01:59 (UTC)

Ah, it's customary for me to address my world and those of others as stars. After all, many would seem as such in the night sky.

[Yes, the unspoken 'things that could have turned out much worse'. Tethers breaking, passengers stranded in the void or worse. The destruction of the train and those who remained with it and were still attached, given how their lives were tied to it.]

I will see if anyone has done a full headcount. I believe a woman named Lioriley was maintaining a list. She may be the one to reach out to. Though the Voidtrecker Express seemed to confirm we were able to reclaim our allies and depart, it would be reassuring to have at least one other confirmation.

Ohhhhh... [That's....really nice actually. His tone is quiet and soft, but perhaps touched all the same.] ...Thank you, then....

And I'll try to do that, yeah. ...I think part of the problem is going to be tracking who left...not everyone who left the train did it willingly.

You may come to me. If no one else can, I am able to provide you a list of the roster before the train's announcement. [For these things at least he does have a good memory and happens to keep track of it.]

You may use it or hand it to others. It may also be best to create a chart to note who left voluntary and who did not. As well as what other worlds than one's own that were travelled to.

[ Surely this can also be attended to by Elidibus.... well, he probably isn't anyone's friend right now what with the network conversation that started this discussion. Maybe he is handing it over with good reason.]

I see.

[ Let's just not go into the romantic life of Elidibus, it might hurt someone's brains thinking about the possibility. ]

I was one who had departed, yes. And I've been aware of the anomaly. But thank you for mentioning it. I'll be sure to discuss it further with you.

[ Subtly glossing over he found out only after he returned because of a small case of death before it started. But that's neither here nor there! ]

It did. ( blunt, but not with anything acidic in tone; if anything, it's less barbed than it was at first. ) But the apology is accepted.

( he doesn't give one, in... turn... sorry )

You may find it easier to get people to understand after they're done processing. And the train... can benefit from anyone yelling at it, and then talking to it after the yelling or the crying's done.

[ At least the sincerity in Elidibus' voice does make things a little better, though it does manage to make Inigo let out an exasperated sigh. ]

People have just spent days in fear and uncertainty. About their worlds, about the entire situation, about their friends, about.. everything.

[ If Inigo has noticed anything, it's that. Not just his own fear over being kicked off the train randomly, but also what many of his friends have gone through during what happened. ]

Just let them rest. It's not the time to care about the train's feelings, when it kidnapped us in the first place. It's time to take care of all the people around us.

[Wryly:] Yeah, there's a whole industry dedicated to leveraging that tendency back where I come from.

[And one of the fruits of that industry is present on this very train in the form of the companion drone that follows Devero around.]

No more definite than anyone else; I'm going by my experiences and my knowledge same as anyone else. The train's sapience is limited in very familiar ways, that's all.

Some kind of check in might be best, yeah...

...Right now I don't think I should be moving around too much, [he admits weakly.] ...But if no one's started it after I've rested enough I'll definitely come to you..!

Correct. ( And for the other matter: ) I said nothing about your facts being invalid. I questioned from where they came.

( But he'll depart from this before it had the potential to be circular. ) True, and in that accountability comes the accountability owed to us by the train.

Thank you for the clarification and your perspective. I'll be sure to make use of what you've spoken of today.

[Seems he is not inclined to try and further go round in circles either.]

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I feel weird not putting a closing response here! Sorry for the delay.