Llama 13 - [Audio]

[mtsilver_conquor]

(OOC: Threads arising from this question may contain some unpleasant aspects of Eva's world re: mewtwo/s, including how they were created and how they're seen. Eva'll take any actual talk of it off the ICP.)


A question, if you will. [Eva is nowhere near as calm as she tries to sound, and it becomes clearer as she speaks. She's also recording all of this on Roro for later playback.]

Say... Say you know someone. You call them a good person, someone who always helps and tries to do the right thing. Yet, they've also protected a creature... no, a person your society and culture deems a kill-on-sight threat, for very good reasons. It's not the right thing to do by society, and it means... means they'll be branded a Traitor to be executed if anyone ever finds out. [A breath -you wouldn't be wrong if you get the feeling this is personal for her, because, it is. ] But they feel it's the right thing to do because the person is a person and worse yet, the equivalent of a child. So they do. They protect the person, even knowing they've signed their death warrant.

What... What you do if you found out? Would... would you condemn them? Or would you... would you agree with them?

Ah... and um. For those that saw that illusion, the one with the kids -my sisters-, can... Can I talk to you? Privately?

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[schrodingersghost]

[There is a slightly bitter twist to Danny's voice.]

Guess I haven't told you much about how ghosts are seen in my world. Long story short, I'd be right there cheering this person on. If I wasn't breaking in to help out your creature/person myself.

Where do you want to meet?

[mtsilver_conquor]

[As much as Eva believes what he's said, the realist in her, the one born from years of keeping secrets, doesn't.

But she has to hope, has to try to believe.] That's- That's good know.

Library's good, or I can get a quiet cabin.

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[runicfeathers]

I have learned in my years that not all is what it seems to be and that we should not judge someone for doing something, even if that person is deemed evil but in truth is not evil. If they are trying to do the right thing, then I would believe in them and defend them.

[Those words come off personal to her as well, after all, she had fallen in love with one of her people's worst enemies and proven to them that Lythrana was no threat in the end.]

If this is about that horrible sight, you can come to my cabin. It's empty right now save for Nova. I'll bring us drinks and won't be long.

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[mtsilver_conquor]

I see. Thanks.

[It's hard, to believe that this right, but she tries anyway.]

I'll meet you there - and grog would be good, if don't mind.

[She means alcohol but also: slang.

True to her word, she'll be waiting outside Willow's cabin. ]

[pleple]

Given... my own origins, I would have to at least... think very, very strongly about how necessary it would be to kill this person.

...I wouldn't want to murder anyone so much like me.

[mtsilver_conquor]

Thanks- and I wouldn't want anyone to kill you either. After all, regardless of origins, you're a person just like me.

[And she'd do a murder to keep Ple safe.]

[oncedriven]

Precedent would indicate that I'd more likely be the person in question.

[Asch's tone is, perhaps, a bit blunt. But he's sitting here in resonance with a flesh eater, a flesh eater who is in fact guilty of the reason flesh eaters are universally condemned - sitting here guilty of the same crime himself -

Eva's not the only one who is cut close by her hypothetical. Not that flesh eaters are ever children, since blades aren't, in general, but all the rest? It hits close to home, and that comes out in the barely-contained boil of passion in his voice. It is an issue of justice, after all.]

But especially in the case of a child, who didn't choose to be what they are, I presume - I would be glad to remove from my life anyone who did condemn such a person.

[mtsilver_conquor]

[Eva says nothing - she's not even sure what to say to someone who assumes it's about them without giving away the fact it's about her. So she says nothing and focuses on what she can -is willing to- comment on over the ICPs.]

You'd presume correct about this hypothetical child.

[A breath, then-] Anything else related to this hypothetical I'd- I'd rather not blast over the ICP.

[obliviouspatriarch]

[There's a sharp inhale, that hitting personally enough for him to feel the need to respond.]

I wouldn't care, I protected those who were only evil by having the same surname as our enemies. Those people I protected were innocent, and didn't deserve what happened to them.

[mtsilver_conquor]

I- Where they a clan? That's... that's the only reason I can think of as to why...

It doesn't make it right of course, but it is a reason.

[miseris_socios]

I live with people who do things that most people see are wrong. Who were experiments that the company that used them probably want terminated on sight. I'm not in the same sort of situation, but if the 'authorities' found me I'd be dragged to an orphanage, at least.

You protect the people you need to protect. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

[mtsilver_conquor]

[There's a sharp intake of breath at the 'experiments' bit, but Eva pushes it aside. Now not the time or place to get into that.]

Wise words, yet very true. At the end of the day, I know the person who protects the child'll do what's right by the child.

[luckydragonsfoot]

So like...I mean I guess yer askin' f'r a reason but...y' can see how 'kill on sight' an' 'child' bein' in th' same spot here make society an' culture an' I dunno probably th' government since there's laws...uh...wrong. Righ'?

Like...they're wrong tha's fucked up.

[The minute you put a Kill On Sight for something childlike and existing is about the moment you need to sit in a corner and think about your life choices, he's pretty sure!]

[mtsilver_conquor]

[HE'S NOT WRONG IN THAT ASSUMPTION!!!

Eva exhales - and then picks her words carefully before metaphorically throwing her hands up because she can't do this on the ICPs. ]

It... This... This isn't... This is better off the ICPs.

[its_dad_sanzo]

If a rule is wrong, it should be broken.

[ Here's Koumyou, the train's resident priest. ]

So with what information you've given, I suspect I would agree with them. But I've never cared for any system that treats people like targets for things they have no control over.

[mtsilver_conquor]

Thanks - and I agree, yet...

[A sigh.]

Sometimes fighting against it hard. Sometimes there's... there's good reasons why the laws in place, even if they are stupid.

[yondu]

Depends on the situation. Did they hurt one of my people? [Because he doesn't have a lot of people and he owes them his loyalty first and foremost.] Did they back somethin' like what happened to me?

It's real situational.

Hope you're recoverin' after all that. [He's not going to say he hopes she's alright because he's guessing from this alone she's not.]

[mtsilver_conquor]

As best I can, and again, thank you. I think... I think I'm gonna try for Skeeta this platform. She's old and a pet, but- you know.

[Never mind she knows where Skeeta'll be 90% of the time: the greenhouse. Because old lady tangela is old.

But, now to the more important thing, and Eva sounds... unsure when she talks. But she has to ask. Has to know.] And if they - the protected person- had no choice in backing what happened to you, what then?

[thawed_pride]

I would assist them. No child deserves to be condemned merely for what they might happen to be.

[Does it sound like this subject hits a personal note for him, too? Maybe it does.]

[mtsilver_conquor]

Good.

[It's soft but heartfelt.] That's good to know, honestly.

[That Fluffy would have allies is good.]

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[namethattune]

[Siebren has seen enough "asking for a friend" questions in his life to be able to recognize one in the wild; that he had run into Eva in the labyrinth and helped talk her through her illusions only confirms it. Still, in public, he will take it at face value, for her sake more than anything else.]

A question like this requires more specificity than is provided, I think. For what reason has this child been deemed a threat, and are they truly the threat they have been deemed to be? Is there someplace they could go where they would be safe - a different part of the world, perhaps, or a different society?

[Perhaps context of his own is required.]

I ask because there are certain parts of my world for which this is applicable. Several decades ago, my world experienced a global catastrophe known as the Omnic Crisis, in which Omnics - robotic life forms initially manufactured by humans - rose up in an effort to wipe out humanity. They did not succeed, but...it was uncertain for a while, and it took a united effort from multiple countries to turn the tide of the war. While the Crisis has been over for some time, not all of the fighting has stopped. There are areas of the world in which Omnics - many of whom are fully sapient - are treated as full citizens with rights, and there are areas in which the fighting never stopped, and Omnics are deemed, as you put it, a shoot-on-sight threat. While some can be dangerous and are indeed built with weaponry and an intent to use it, others prefer to simply live their lives. What they are able and willing to do depends heavily on their circumstances and location.

While I am certain they are not the same, I cannot help but liken the child in your proposed scenario to an Omnic and wonder if relocating to a more accepting society, should one exist, would be enough to resolve the issue.

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[mtsilver_conquor]

I see... That's... that's good that you're world's found a... a balance for sapient AI.

[It's still an Uncomfortable notion and always will be, but if they're Sapient, then... it's not porygon, right?

She's Calm. Calm and not on the verge of a breakdown because Gods of Arkea, if only it were that easy. Even the Southern Island isn't safe, and while uninhabited islands or deep in the mountains or Deep Forests are a thought, that's no life.

No guarantee of safety, and Eva doesn't even know how to word it so she doesn't implicate herself.]

Ah... This might be better to take off the ICPs, I think.

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[mynameisallen]

I'd probably do the same thing. Heck, I got put in prison for helping two people escape and not saying where they went because to me it was the right thing to do. Those people deserved to just be alone together for their final moments.

[That incident eventually lead to him being considered a traitor, but the event wasn't why he got called that. But for a moment Allen paused.]

I think this person might see more to the other than what others see, but that is a guess on my part.

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[mtsilver_conquor]

That's what I'd call a real friend and I'd like to hope they did get it, even with everyone wanting to know where they went.

[Eva hums a bit in thought, then:] I think you're right in that, why else would they risk so much?

[blue_ice]

Of course you can find me, any time.

And to answer the question...no world's legal system is perfect, they're often corrupted by other motivations. And that definitely sounds like the case here. But if that person was truly my friend, I'd trust their judgment.

[mtsilver_conquor]

I... Maybe. I don't know.

[Gods, Eva can't say she's looking forward to this, but... If she doesn't do now, she'll chicken out and ask him to forget what he heard.

Which she still might.] Would the Library work?

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[weifinder]

Why condemn? I don't know enough about them or the world, but it sounds like they're acting for what they believe is just, and taking responsibility for it. I'd agree.

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[mtsilver_conquor]

It's complicated, and the reasons to why someone would condemn are better explained off the ICPs.

I can do my best to explain if you'd like? I'm in the library right now.

[averyusefultray]

If you ask the ruling government, most of my crew falls under that category one way or another. Especially the kids.

Anyone who wants to try it has to go through me.

[mtsilver_conquor]

Good- I'm glad they have you.

No one deserves to be targeted for something they can't help, you know?

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[motherofresistance]

Well, I'd certainly want some more information about the exact circumstances as soon as possible, because I have a feeling that calling what you're describing a complicated situation would be an understatement. But in the moment? I'd assist that person. You might say I have a bit of experience with committing treason for a good cause, and would be inclined to trust their motives even if I questioned their judgment on certain points.

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[mtsilver_conquor]

[By the time she answers Leia, Eva's starting to have a little more faith in the train and in the fact that, ultimately, she's been doing the right thing from the start.] It's... really complicated, yeah.

I don't know how much I can tell you, but I'm in the library if you want to talk more about this. It's not... not the sort of thing that should be done on the ICPs, you know?

[Also the fact that she's offering to open up to all these people? That's... really only possible because she's been on the train so long and been exposed to other worlds and ideas.]

[dreamtamer]

[Takato had wanted to talk to Eva to thank her for helping him through his illusions. But... then he'd seen her asking this question.]

When I first met Guilmon, I was really scared that someone would take him away from me. There was an an organization that didn't think digimon were alive like humans are.They said that they were just rogue computer programs that needed to be destroyed. But I knew they were wrong.

[It had been a frightening thought for a child who had just met an amazing creature who was rapidly becoming his best friend.]

[mtsilver_conquor]

I'm hoping something changed that view of theirs? Or.... do they still think that?

Because I'd happily tell them they're wrong to their faces, and that they're being incredible stupid and blind.

[hotheadwarmheart]

Well any society that would consider someone like a child a kill-on-sight threat sounds pretty messed up. So I'd definitely agree with that person and help them if I could.

[It's rather personal for Lea too, as certain friends of his could easily fall into the category of the person she's describing.]

[mtsilver_conquor]

That's... that's really good to know. That'd you'd help.

[Yet, for she's heard it a lot since her initial broadcast, Eva still doesn't truly believe it, because she knows the real test would come if anyone from home ever boarded the train and found out.]

So I've been told, yet the situation is complicated, and I'm not sure how much should be said over the ICPs.