[ He offers Roland a pleased little smirk at that, it's appreciated anyway.

He does get more serious when Roland does. ]

Good. We just need a new plan. [ He considers things for a moment. ]

You may not know what kinds of rules we have in our Kingdom of Science, but people dying is strictly against the rules. Sacrifices, also completely forbidden. So any plan that accepts any of that...[ He meets his eyes now, serious. ] Completely unacceptable.