[Okay, now you've lost him. How is it both?]

Yeah, okay, kid. I'm not getting it. Virtual reality just feels real, looks real, even the monsters and people are programmed to act real. Whole point of it, right?

I mean, if you had an AI and stuck it in a robot and...well, that's still a program on the inside but it's...real on the outside? I guess...

[Crap, now he's doing it. This is complicated. Way more complicated than he liked for a simple chat.]